The hypocrisy accusations, I believe, came from what I mentioned before about continuing to use products from corporations that aren't necessary despite being so against them.

But this is going way too far off topic.... Maybe it was a mistake to suggest creating this thread in the first place. Guess we'll just see where it goes from here.
Edit: Actually, no, we won't, because absolutely nothing good can possibly come out of it at this point. Locked.

I think he just likes to make himself sound superior to everyone else. he can deny it all he wants, but thats what it looks and sounds like, he is also being slightly hypocritical.

how am i being hypocritical? i still monetarily support some corporations, but i am constantly trying to find ways past that. this isn't necessarily an easy process for me.

and no, i don't just like to make myself sound superior to everyone else. any superiority in my tone comes from the fact that i perceive what i'm saying to be right and that i think it's the "superior" choice. in no way do i actually think i'm superior to other people. if only you knew how i *bleep*ing felt day after *bleep*ing *bleep*y *bleep* day. i'm superior, yeah right. if i were so superior, why do i get 0 PMs from anyone on here? nobody contacts me on DA? nobody asks for MSN/AIM/whatever? i'm about to be removed from mod status? and why was that the case on another website? and another one? let's face it, no matter how worthy my ideas may be, the face behind them is a social joke.

if i had any reputation on this forum, it's *bleep*ing shot with this thread, but i was never interested in being superior to anyone here, and i'm pretty mad that you ever thought that. i'm nothing like that.

but i guess i'm just denying all i want, right? good *bleep*ing riddance, i'm going back to the anonymous shadows where i don't have an identity. "oh no, 36 is going to ragequit!" who cares?

as a side note is it weird that when ever i read a post by stormy i here it being read in sheena's voice inside my head?

Really, I have no problem if this is your worldview. That's great. But I can't take it seriously at all if you're not going to actually live by it. It's all talk.

I wouldn't go so far as to automatically equate "large corporation" and "profit-driven" with "corruption" either. Not everything that's for profit is necessarily bad.

^ Pretty much. If you object to companies being profit-driven there's really not much you should be able to purchase in good conscience. Including, you know, your computer... your internet service....

i was waiting for this. i didn't get any of this. my family bought and pays for these. i just also use it for various things. and now that i have friends on here who live too far away to actually visit, i suppose i'm sort of stuck on it. but believe me, that underlying feeling is always there. not supporting big corporations is a very important thing to me. the current system is ruining Earth, whether people see it or not. yet i hardly have to try, though. they never sell anything worth buying, alcohol included. just gadgets to waste time like cable TV or phones with barcode-scanning apps, or some kind of unhealthy food i don't need.

the fact that most societal things are corrupt doesn't make it okay. life is better without it, even just on a personal level.

^ Pretty much. If you object to companies being profit-driven there's really not much you should be able to purchase in good conscience. Including, you know, your computer... your internet service....

By the way, apparently it is illegal in the US to show alcohol actually being consumed in commercials. Just a fun fact.

Hey im not ethical i a, happy to follow the flow as long as i know not of the dangers.

By the way, apparently it is illegal in the US to show alcohol actually being consumed in commercials. Just a fun fact.

less obvious / not familiar with those companies' practices, and not relevant to this thread. if you'd like to hear me complain about Apple, you know . . .

Well its kinda is. you are saying alcahol is run by evil corparations yet at the same time kinda...everything is xD

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How do they "feed off people who are addicted"?

... by continuing to sell it to them? by promoting themselves? by continuing to sell addictive products? by the way, yes, companies have agendas. that's sort of how business works by default.

as for not advertising, please, there are still some beer ads on TV that kids could easily watch. i've seen these, and hardly ever watch TV. if it just passed, they might have pulled them for all i know.

@ Clock-la - i'm okay with that. are you?

Own i pad. Just saying you act like thinks going on here are so bad but realy half the stuff we own comes from somwere awful.

How exactly are companies supposed to keep people who are addicted from purchasing their product? That's kind of impossible. Sure, they could just stop selling it altogether, but here's where it looks like we're never going to agree: I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility in things like this. No one's being forced to buy the alcohol. If it's doing bad things for you, it's your responsibility to stop buying it, not the company's responsibility to stop selling it, not everyone else's responsibility to stop drinking it for you. For most people, it is not a harmful product; it's misuse that makes it that way.

As for commercials, ehem, puhhh-leaaease, what does it matter if a kid happens to see a beer commercial? What kid is going to see a bunch of 40 year old dudes drinking beer and watching football on a couch thinking "Wow, they're so cool, I wanna be just like them! Better go drink some beer now!" Advertisements aren't going to be very effective on markets they aren't intended for. I'd take this a lot more seriously if you could find me a commercial where they're actually intending to go after kids. Please don't try to act like you're some kind of expert on businesses' "agendas" when you apparently don't even understand how marketing works....

How do they "feed off people who are addicted"?

... by continuing to sell it to them? by promoting themselves? by continuing to sell addictive products? by the way, yes, companies have agendas. that's sort of how business works by default.

as for not advertising, please, there are still some beer ads on TV that kids could easily watch. i've seen these, and hardly ever watch TV. if it just passed, they might have pulled them for all i know.

@ Clock-la - i'm okay with that. are you?