...Yeah, I'm sick of reading post after post of you trying to defend yourself. Locking this now.

Jusey1, then what you took offense to was your friends' actions, not "beliefs." People can have similar beliefs and you wouldn't even know if they didn't act like that. I am friends with a lot of people who have beliefs that I completely disagree with.

ontels, I don't know about banning, but I'm getting pretty annoyed at this topic in general. =/ Time to lock it?

I didn't did anything. I was talknig to her in the chatrooms of Deviantart and well. Let me quote;

(
"Her: Wait.. Your Bisexual?"
"Me: Yes, I am. Why you asking?"
"Her: o.o, that's *bleep*ing wrong! You should quit it!"
"Me: How is it wrong?"
"Her: It *bleep*ing just it... Quit it now!"
"Me: Um.. No.. It's who I am."
*Me Was Kicked By Her*
)

@ ontels: Why do I deserve to be banned? I hadn't been mean to anyone except you with that one fight.

ontels, I don't know about banning, but I'm getting pretty annoyed at this topic in general. =/ Time to lock it?

Yea, this is where I cross my line.

If you make friends based on their "beliefs", then save yourself the trouble and just leave. No one wants such a judgmental person on the forum.

And I thought I was too judging...

This is the only thing I'ma just reply to.

*Facepalms*

I make friends by their personality. The whole 'beliefs' comes in when their religion thoughts makes them hate me.

Example: Good friend of mine, or was, was a High-Time-Christian. When she learn I was bisexual; she begin yelling at me and swearing at me. Telling me to become Straight, and I said no; and she basicly insulted me some more and say we're not friends anymore. She also ended up insulting all homosexual and bisexual via a journal and a lot of her 'friends' were upset and begin to hate her for what she've done.

That is when 'beliefs' comes in.

My idea of "Holding a grudge" is when you hate that person a lot and will fight with them, if you get the chance.

A grudge means that you hold something against a person.

Well then I can't support any part of that argument from here forward.

To yourself? Yes. But out loud you shouldn't say either of those things. Complimenting yourself out loud makes you look like you have a big ego, and saying out loud "I wish I was dead" makes you sound emo.

Yea, this is where I cross my line.

If you make friends based on their "beliefs", then save yourself the trouble and just leave. No one wants such a judgmental person on the forum.

And I thought I was too judging...

As for the apology. No. I wont say sorry to them. They never apologize for what they've done to me; so why should I apologize to them?

And btw, complimenting yourself is a good thing if you don't over do it. It's better to compliment yourself then say to yourself "I wish I'm dead." etc.

As for the good impression thing; Eh.. Idk for sure. I do stuff like that, I'm really good at making friends with people but also, I really good at making enemies with people. It all depends on personalities and beliefs.

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.

Just want to let you know it's going to be very hard for you on these forums now that you told them that. It's going to be hard to make them forgive you unless you go Ghandi and tell them directly that you're sorry. Although I don't think they would believe your apology is sincere until you actually think differently about them.

I don't think you get this "being humble" concept. Let me just put it to you this way; Don't call yourself intelligent, strong, funny, mature, or any other compliment towards yourself. It gives the impression you are the complete opposite of what you call yourself AND it makes you sound like you have a big ego.

I don't mean to make you feel bad, but this is the internet. If you get into a personal argument with someone, they will hurt your feelings, whether it's purposely or accidental. From the argument I saw at the beginning, I would say it was pretty accidental until you started to insult them.

I also find it odd how you say you don't hold grudges, but you "ain't gonna be as friendly to them". It sounds like that is holding a grudge to me.

I'm sorry to say this, but every time you post something it seems you keep putting yourself in a worse and worse position. You can't just say on a forum that you are going to ignore them, and you certainly can't tell them what they can and can't do.

It is difficult to make a good impression on a forum. It requires a lot of public speaking skills (face it, you are talking to at least a dozen people at a time), good critical thinking skills (threads without arguments don't exist), and you need to be able to look beyond the words someone says (reading between the lines is a good figurative example).

However, the rewards of communicating on a forum like this is the gain of the same skills as you require to be part of one. I've learned more public speaking and rhetorical skills on this site than the past 4 years of my english class. I've been able to pick out meanings of letters, notes, and messages that I otherwise would have completely missed (such as detecting non-obvious sarcasm). And I was even influenced by a spanish speaker on this forum a while ago to learn the language myself.

My point is, even if you feel you are in the right now, other people will see it differently. If it isn't personal, then you can debate your way to reach a mutual point (you will rarely think the same way once the argument is over, and same with your opposer). However, in situations like these where the argument is personal, it is hard for both sides to reach that mutual point. One side has to go all the way to the other side, and then the other side may, or may not bring you back half-way. Either way, it is public opinion on who is the one who needs to start going forward in this situation, and when that person refuses to go forward, people tend to get angry at them. It requires an open mind to accept how an argument has turned out, even if your feelings were hurt.

To sum up what I am saying, I think the best course right now would be to just make an apology to Aceedwin and Ontels in your next post on this thread. I have a pretty good feeling they would forgive you if you are sincere (even if they say they will never forgive you, they aren't close-minded people and they don't hold grudges). They ARE nice people, and they never purposely try to hurt anyone unless they are personally insulted. However, I am only mediating this discussion on a single side, so I can't help you past this point.

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.

2nd; I do have humility. I guess if you wanna put into that, I can be immature but I'm mostly mature. As for humility, I do have it; I do know one's importance is and I do believe everyone is important for something.

3rd; getting into arguments, or debates, is common within friendships. Getting into fights that hurts one's feelings isn't common within friendships; that's why I consider Aceed and ontels to be mean, they hurt my feelings and made me remember a bad moment in my life.... I hate that a lot. I don't hold grudges but I ain't gonna be as friendly to them, like I normally am to others.

@Aceed and ontels, I ain't even replying to your posts so don't even comment on me.

I'll comment on whomever I *bleep* well please. And besides, isn't it a little immature to just avoid contact with people you find intimidating? Especially when you're overreacting massively to some trivial little teasing.

Saying you have humility is pretty ironic, as the core of humility is not making a big deal out of your merits, like humility. So yeah, self-pwnage was pretty funny.

And I don't, and didn't consider you a friend, so your argument doesn't follow. On the internet, your feelings are fair game if you choose to expose yourself. And you certainly did so. Also, not being as friendly to someone because of past trespasses is pretty much a textbook example of holding a grudge.

You seem to have a very tenuous hold on the vocabulary of the English language. I'd suggest actually reading through your posts to check that what you're saying actually makes sense. That might help people understand your mind, even if it does "work in many ways."

tl;dr, stop being hypocritical and learn how to use the English language.

Okay, I STILL don't understand what you mean. You didn't "call them mean", but you did "tell" them that you "rank them mean." Could you reiterate?

Believe me, I can relate. However it isn't something you should announce. It's better to have humility and be immature than mature without humility.

See, if you take a group of people that are immature, yet humble in nature, they will be able to fit in with others like them. They will grow up to be part of their own small "personality community". Same thing happens if someone is both mature AND humble.

However, lacking humility, whether you are mature or not, will not put you in either of those "personality communities". Nobody likes people who don't know humility, whether they are mature, immature, humble, or not. NO ONE would like to be around someone like that.

Well I'm happy you rank me as someone who's intelligent, and I do prefer to stay neutral rather than nice or mean, however I don't think it's appropriate to judge people in this forum like that. We all get into arguments with each other, however unless you tell someone what you think of them (like you did before and just now), they will never hold a grudge... EXCEPT some certain people who just commit to having bland attitudes (they know who I am talking about).

For example, I've been in arguments with half of the people on the forum. Clock-la, Swaffeh, Stormy, and a whole bunch of others have debated and argued against me before. Heck, even SpyroRocks himself got into an argument with me when I said I enjoy using OSX and Linux more than Windows. However, we all talk to each other in different threads as if we have never met before. We never hold grudges, and we never judge anyone outside of the specified conversation. And if someone does, you know that they are going to be torn apart by us. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly. However, if you think you see that happening to you, that may give you an insight on what you need to change with communication.

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.

2nd; I do have humility. I guess if you wanna put into that, I can be immature but I'm mostly mature. As for humility, I do have it; I do know one's importance is and I do believe everyone is important for something.

3rd; getting into arguments, or debates, is common within friendships. Getting into fights that hurts one's feelings isn't common within friendships; that's why I consider Aceed and ontels to be mean, they hurt my feelings and made me remember a bad moment in my life.... I hate that a lot. I don't hold grudges but I ain't gonna be as friendly to them, like I normally am to others.

@Aceed and ontels, I ain't even replying to your posts so don't even comment on me.

1st off, I'm ranking them mean in my head. I don't tell them anything at all. I'll just know that they are mean people and I wont act nicely toward them.

Okay, I STILL don't understand what you mean. You didn't "call them mean", but you did "tell" them that you "rank them mean." Could you reiterate?

Believe me, I can relate. However it isn't something you should announce. It's better to have humility and be immature than mature without humility.

See, if you take a group of people that are immature, yet humble in nature, they will be able to fit in with others like them. They will grow up to be part of their own small "personality community". Same thing happens if someone is both mature AND humble.

However, lacking humility, whether you are mature or not, will not put you in either of those "personality communities". Nobody likes people who don't know humility, whether they are mature, immature, humble, or not. NO ONE would like to be around someone like that.

Well I'm happy you rank me as someone who's intelligent, and I do prefer to stay neutral rather than nice or mean, however I don't think it's appropriate to judge people in this forum like that. We all get into arguments with each other, however unless you tell someone what you think of them (like you did before and just now), they will never hold a grudge... EXCEPT some certain people who just commit to having bland attitudes (they know who I am talking about).

For example, I've been in arguments with half of the people on the forum. Clock-la, Swaffeh, Stormy, and a whole bunch of others have debated and argued against me before. Heck, even SpyroRocks himself got into an argument with me when I said I enjoy using OSX and Linux more than Windows. However, we all talk to each other in different threads as if we have never met before. We never hold grudges, and we never judge anyone outside of the specified conversation. And if someone does, you know that they are going to be torn apart by us. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly. However, if you think you see that happening to you, that may give you an insight on what you need to change with communication.

I'm kidding. Why would I just tell you my opinion of you? I'm not Japanese, with their strange little honorifics that must be so awkward to use. I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, as it were. After everything I just said about keeping one's thoughts seperate from one's actions, why would I ever make an action with which you could so easily read my thoughts?