Nobody wants to hear a story they've heard a thousand times (except small children. I must have watched the Lion King about two hundred times when I was three), so I can't argue with that. I'm just saying that utterly evil characters can be fun characters too. Writers don't create properly evil characters as much as they should.

I didn't say I support Kira, just that I understand that it is a contentious issue. Also, I wasn't for life in the other topic, I was anti-justice. Kira both prevented criminals from striking again and deterred others, both of which I consider good justifications for action. I still disagree with what he does, but that's another discussion.

Now that's exactly what I wished they did with Malefor. Great characters create great stories. It's how I see it. If you have a perfect hero vs a villain jus obsessed with being evil and too stupid to even be a real threat. I'm just tired of those silly fantasy endings with the perfect guy saving the perfect girl who always gets kidnapped and can't fend for herself. I just find that tiresome. I do realize that some people use fiction to escape their everyday lives. It's just fir me I want to connect to a character that's more realistic and less boring and predictable then all this crud their giving us.

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When Sephiroth killed Aeris or when you realized in Zelda what the sages had to do. It wasn't like the cliche norm we've always seen. It became a classic for what they did. It became different. Not saying a good story has to had a character die.

We can classify Light as a villain because he kills people. Sorry if I misunderstood but weren't you for life I'm the other topic? They show it barely but people are celebrating the criminals death. Misa loves what Light's doing. I would personally be for Kira if he ever existed. Even if it is by fear criminal activity would drop and that would be good for the common man. That would benefit the good and immediately everyone would begin to watch their actions. I'm not saying I'm a saint but I detest criminals. Instead of taking advantage of their life they waste it. It's saddening to me that anyone can change the world and only a handful do.

I don't know, if they'd actually expanded on Malefor a little more (perhaps a trawl through his past in a playable level, a la assassin's creed), his motivation could have at least been interesting. Instead, it was "Oh hi, I'm the final boss. I think apocalypse is our destiny. Now, time to screw with Cynder for teh lulz." It didn't help that I couldn't understand a word the guy said. I had to do the scene again with subtitles on, which rather ruined the moment.

They did more than create a knight templar antagonist with Raito. It's actually very difficult to say that he is the morally corrupted person. The fans are divided on who they support in the war of law versus the common good. Can we even class Raito as a villain? I don't think so.

Again I'm not a final fantasy fan but already Sephiroth sounds mire interesting then Malefor ever was. I understand your like for villains just being evil. I just like more realistic villains because it can create deeper plot lines, you may be able to connect to the antagonist too. I have just found it boring for villains to be evil just for the sake of being evil. Even when vilaiins want power at least that's a reason(an overused one at that) it's just look at the most villainous men of history. They never said they were doing evil. Like Adolf Hitler he brainwashed the masses and has become known as one of the most evil men but he told his people they were doing the GOOD for Germany.

Like what Jazz wrote I love what DeathNote did because they created an antagonist(well protagonist since he's the main character) that believed he did good and to me that's far more complex then just being evil. To me that's just a step backward but it's what you like. In the end I just want a great Spyro game, a unique one. Not one that even struggles with it's plot.

I agree that Malefor was a pretty rubbish villain. I think the entire TLOS trilogy was pretty rubbish, to be honest. I'm not arguing with that point. I disagree with you when you say villains should have good or relatable intentions. That's not necessary.

Glados was corrupted, but you never get a sense of why, except perhaps because they screwed around with her AI too much. You kill her in self-defence, and she eventually lets you go, so clearly she wasn't that phased about the incident. I never identified with Glados, I just thought of her as a demented torturer that hated my guts for something that was her fault.

Sephiroth wanted to make his mother proud by controlling the lifestream itself, but he was clearly not just an adult child, he was well in control of his faculties prior to discovering his "mother" (she wasn't his reSPOILERal mother). In all honesty, he was just driven mad by his own idea that he deserved power.

Anyway, I always prefer villains whose motivations are bad for the sake of bad, just as some people choose to do good because they want to. Making a villain who has a morally good reason for being a villain works to undermine your protagonist's method for doing good. A villain that does bad for no reason takes this a step further, by undermining the protagonist's motivation. If a villain is able to function while being purely evil, then perhaps good isn't the only option after all. That's how I see it anyway.

Concept art for DOTD show's Spyro fighting Dark Spyro

I was never a fan of final fantasy so I won't say much there but with seven Wasn't Sephiroth doing this for his 'mother'?

It's far from the cliche that Malefor was. Those were unique an interesting characters and with Malefor it failed to differentiate itself. You could have called him Bowser and I wouldn't see the difference.

Again I'm not arguing if it's a bad game it's just my opinion about what I believe about the legend of spyro.

I didn't try to jump and make a conclusion about Malefor. I tried to like him because I love Spyro(and I'm a fool for his games) but in the end it felt like a generic experience.

Honestly was Malefor any Sephiroth or Glados?

The characters you picked are perfect examples of what villains should be. Sephiroth's killing of one of Cloud's friends and Glados's malicious puzzles and the way she toyed with you was amazing. What did Malefor do? He failed constantly?

Please don't say I'm doing this because I just jumped on Malefor for no reason. I'm just tired of developers doing storylines like this just to get a game moving. I respect your posts. It's just there's a difference even when a villain wants to create chaos there's just more to the villain then just that.

Sephiroth, often called the greatest villain in a game, does it purely to gain personal power.

GLaDOS is villainous to advance science, and also because she hates you personally.

I'm too tired to think of many more of these examples, but my point is clear: Villains don't need good intentions to be good villains.

Swaffy is right, I'm planning on writing and being a game developer and I want to create a Spyro game I believe is worthy of both the classic spyro gamers with gameplay(adventure, classic look, classic characters and hub worlds) while trying to keep the Los fans with a mature story I think they would enjoy. I know No one will believe it until it happens but I'm on my way  getting there.

I understand if others like the Los series it's just my opinion. Just to me the story wasn't entertaining, characters bored me and gameplay wasn't unique. If I ever do get Spyro, Cynder would be something I'd definetly consider. I'm not a Mary sue, Gary stu ethusiast.

If you wonder how I could make a story with Spyro mature and addicting without a cliche villain? I find it simple. Make an antagonist that has a purpose and you can relate too. It creates a deeper story and more of an impact. As an example, what if a character, let's call him Rain for now, lived in the forgotten realm as the portals began to close. As a last effort to save his portal he entered the homeworld to find a way to save his home but one day it closes. He feared going back in knowing his home would be frozen from the lack of magic. He starts taking care of the portals in the homeworld to try and forget the pain but eventually he feels guilty. He tries to go back but in doing so he breaks his own portal. Seeing his mistake he tries to go for help and goes toward the sorceress. She starts to breed hatred into him fir the dragons abandoning them. He becomes the sorceresses apprentice before Bianca but eventually despises her as well with the way she treats creatures and goes on his own to help other portals from breaking like his did. When Spyro appears and rescues the forgotten world. A little after Rain pretends to be his friend but wants to use Spyro to steal his magic so the forgotten realm can survive without dragons... It's a rough idea and sorry it got out of hand. I did this on my itouch so sorry for any errors in spelling and sorry if this post is long I just got a bit too into it. It doesn't have to be that serious but it can easilly be edited to be made for a game.

I do love Jazz's idea that the villain should have a good intention. It makes them more realistic and different. I do hope one of us someday one of us will be part of Spyro and not only heal the wounds but would excite us again.

Sorry for the long blocky post.
My apologies.